Thursday, March 10, 2005

Learning To Blog IV: Getting More Comments

With just over three months of running this little blog behind me, I'm trying to break some of the bad habits I've developed and become a better blogger. To that end, I've been reading the Blogging Tips from Harvey of Bad Example. I've been treating it sort of like a course of instruction. (There's a little irony there that I just can't explain, but know that I'm enjoying it.) Anyway, since I'm treating it like a course, I'm not reading ahead. So, I'm real curious to see how this works out.

Harvey's topics (along with my post on that topic) are:
So, let's plunge in. Here are excepts from Harvey's post, with my comments on how I'm doing and what I need to do:

ON COMMENTS

... Blog readers are often busy and ... leaving a comment is a time commitment for the reader ... As a blog-host, understand that a lack of comments doesn't necessarily mean a lack of love or readership.
Yeah, I'm beginning to understanding this now. As my blogging has continued, my readership of blogs has grown. As a reader, I initially just lurked. Then I began to comment regularly on some. But now I do it less and less. This is something I've not considered when it comes to you, one of this little blogs Gentle Readers. But Harvey has brought it to my attention.

Don't think I've not valued your comments. I have. Now, I do even more. For taking your comments for granted, I'm scoring this a loss. 0-1.
... Consider this technical aspect: How easy is it to use your comments? Do they remember the readers' information from one day to the next? There have been many times that I've not left a comment simply because I didn't feel like typing all my info in AGAIN. And I won't even discuss the misery of having to go to a separate page to log in just to leave a :-) or LOL!
TypePad does remember, so I'm doing good there. Actually, I felt the same way and this was a consideration when I left the old Blogger/Blogspot site for this one. 1-1.
If your blogging software doesn't have user-friendly comments, you might consider using a third party comment service. Haloscan is excellent (and free). You can install that with a tiny pasted bit of code and disable the native comment service.
I feel good about this. I installed HaloScan on the old site shortly after start-up. Even with Blogger/Blogspot improved commenting features, I think HaloScan is the way to go on blogs hosted there. Even though I'm no longer using HaloScan, I did follow this advice without receiving it. 2-1.
...in the outer... shows one way to display Blogger comments after installing Haloscan.
Wish I had read this then. I lost my first couple of comments when I made the switch on the old site. 2-2.
For your readers, the great thing about Haloscan comments is that, once they sign in on ANY blog with Haloscan comments, they will be remembered on every other blog that uses Haloscan. Very convenient.
Unless you screw up on your browser settings. I'm a tinkerer and have done that. But, yes, I appreciate that as a reader/commenter. No score, still 2-2.
Once your comments work well, how do you get people to use them? ....

End your post with a question: People leave comments when what you've written sparks an idea in their heads. Asking a question makes the reader answer it, and probably makes them think up a "why" to justify that answer.
I don't do that much. Sometimes, I'll move my last sentence to its own paragraph in order to emphasize a point, or to try to be funny or clever or thought-provoking. Maybe I ought to try this. What do you think? 2-3.
ASK for comments to your post: A more direct version of the above suggestion. ... Sometimes shyer readers ... (are) hesitant to say anything, even though they have an urge. Inviting them in so many words can tip the balance for an indecisive reader.
Again, I haven't been doing this. 2-4.
Keep your posts to a single subject: Although it's easy to get caught up in your own stream of consciousness and range over a variety of topics, it's often only a single point you make that a reader will want to respond to.
I'm screwed. 2-5.
If you go off on other tangents, the reader may feel like his comment isn't really "on-topic" and may decide not to leave it. This is not to say that long, rambling posts aren't perfectly ok - they most certainly are - it's just that they're not as comment-encouraging.
Actually, I thought the opposite: cover a wide variety of (sort of) related stuff might increase the chance of hitting something the reader would connect with. While it might, I see now that it could reinforce the "reader" aspect and de-emphasize the "commenter" aspect. Still 2-5.
Then there's the more indirect approach. These techniques might not yield immediate results, but they help develop a more talkative readership.
What? Oh, took me a minute, but this is the intro to the next part. Okay, let's keep reading:
Comment on reader's comments: When people leave comments, reward them with a little attention by leaving a comment of your own that responds to what they said. Positive feedback is always appreciated.
I don't do as much of this as I'm inclined. I occasionally say "thanks" or respond with a joke or some silly remark, but I've actually canceled some comments I've started because it's stuck me that I'm not contributing anything and am coming across as "Hey, I got the last word." Not that I do that in person. 2-6.
Comment on other people's blogs: Reciprocation is the norm in the blogosphere. If you leave comments for other people, you'll get them in return.
I do this on occasion, but not as much as I should, I guess. Many times, it's because the comment would be "me too" or "LOL" or something that otherwise doesn't contribute. However, I don't mind getting those type of comments; why should I mind leaving them? 2-7.
Blog about your reader's comments: One of the biggest thrills for a reader is to see that something they said inspired its very own post. ... I don't suggest that you try to FORCE an entry if you're not truly inspired, but if a comment is particularly stimulating, why not put it on stage with a spotlight?
I haven't done a lot of that. At least, not to make it obvious. There have been some posts directly from reader's comments (this series is an example), but others have been indirect and I haven't made it clear. I'll do better. 2-8.
Finally, there's one more thing you can do, but use it with caution:

Whine about how you never get comments: If you're really sick of seeing "comments(0)", put up a pouty, tantrum-filled post about how hurt your feelings are.
I'm not sure how my personality would come across with something like that. I'll think long and hard before ever trying this. Because I haven't done it, but also because it's to be used only with caution, I won't score this one. 2-8.
The risk here is that these posts often get linked elsewhere, and you may get bombarded with all kinds of weird stuff by quirky-humored bloggers.
But, if they link to you, is that bad? It's all about the links with me, isn't it?
I should end here, but I suppose that, for the sake of completeness, I should mention that you can always go the melodramatic route and threaten to quit blogging, just to get people to beg you not to go. Not that anyone actually does that sort of thing.
So, I'm 2-8 for this round. I'm getting worse as we go through this series. By the time we get to the last one in this series, I'll be doing nothing right.

Anyway, here's the short run-down: I've done a good job of setting up comments/commenting system on the old blog and on this one, but a poor job of inspiring comments.

Here's where I'm a slacker and can do better (remember, one was Blogger/Blogspot-related and no longer applicable):
  • Showing appreciation of comments/commenters.
  • Ask more questions.
  • Ask for comments.
  • Stay on topic.
  • Comment on comments.
  • Comment on other blogs.
  • Make comment-inspired posts apparent.
If you've been following along, I'd like to encourage you to read Harvey's complete post. I've quoted most of it, but it's best to get the full effect from him

Anyway, I know what I need to do. So, let's see what happens.

20 comments:

  1. The Mean Sister (who is 5'6")March 10, 2005 at 1:58 AM

    So was I supposed to say anything?

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  2. The Big Sister (who's 5'4")March 10, 2005 at 2:15 AM

    Well, you don't say thank you as much as you used to, but I figured you were too busy.
    I guess you could ask more questions, couldn't you?
    Don't go begging for compliments. It ain't you.
    So...if you aren't staying on topic, who is? I mean, you do your roundups, headlines, true stories, made-up stories. Topics on topics...
    You don't always comment on comments, but you ALMOST always do. Actually, I'd almost rather you didn't. That's when things like peanut butter cookies start flying.
    I don't think folks will ever comment a lot about headlines. I don't think they need to. The headlines are there for entertainment, and I almost never comment. Don't plan to. You don't need your ego stroked that much. Do you?
    I have enjoyed your posts lately though. I love reading your thoughts on whatever topic you're having a thought about.... like this topic.
    I miss your made up stories. I have looked forward to some PGH. When you have done them in the past with your famous "include as many links to other sites as I can", they seem to have been well received.
    Anyway, whatever you are doing seems to be working. Like I have said before....ignore some of Harvey's advice. His is great for someone who doesn't already have a good blog thang going.

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  3. Offer a free ipod with every comment.

    Oh, and your blog doesn't remember my personal information. I use IE on XP.

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  4. The frustrating thing about comments is that the posts that I feel will really get the comments never do and the stupid posts that I feel should be automatically submitted to the bonfire get the most. Otherwise my readers have been very good to me commenting,probably because I beg. Also, I am a serial commenter on lots of blogs regardless if I contribute anything or not.And I try to respond to my commenters, if not all individually at least a group response, I like that when I comment elsewhere. I do have serious issues about odd numbered comments on my blog...but we won't discuss that... link

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  5. Mean Sister: Actually, everybody but you.

    Big Sister: Thanks.

    Loren: Sorry you missed it. That ended yesterday.

    Jody: Now that I've taken one comment/post to respond to four comments, I'm caught up but have an odd number of comments. Ah, I figured out how to fix that!

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  6. Loren: (remember info). Odd, I'm having that trouble on IE, but not on Firefox. I do see that IE appears to have trouble loading something; it says "1 item remaining" and has for a while, and I'm unsure what's not loading. However, Firefox has completed loading. I'm thinking that forms don't auto-fill (assuming you haven't turned it off) until the page load completes. So, it could be something else on the page that's screwing with IE. I'll keep researching this. Thanks for letting me know.

    Oh, and if anyone has experienced this, jump in!

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  7. i've seen the problem with XP & IE, but the information will appear when you check and uncheck the Remember personal info option. must we one a random feature of ie.

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  8. Ah, yes, the old "it's not a bug, it's a feature" of IE. Love those.

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  9. I switched my google sidebar with a Technorati search feature. It allows the reader to search my blog, or all the other blogs listed.

    It's much more functional than the google search, which doesn't really allow the reader to search a single blog, and which gives non-bloggy results. Also, Technorati has some good features like rss watchlists.

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  10. I always value comments whether left on my blog or in response to a comment I make. Makes me feel like part of the big blogospheric family. basil, you leave nice comments my way, so thanks!

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  11. Tom: Good tip. As you can see, I use the Technorati search box myself.

    I have seen some sites that have a Google "Search This Site" box, but don't know if that's something any site can do. I need to get off my butt and look into that. But, if I do, it won't replace the Technorati search.

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  12. BoboBlogger: I appreciate the kind words. I promise to do better job of being a host.

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  13. "ignore some of Harvey's advice"

    Actually, ignore a LOT of Harvey's advice. He's all wacky in the head :-)

    Seriously, though, I wouldn't expect anyone to do ALL of these. But if you're a tiny new blogger and you're not doing SOME of them, then it's your own darn fault you're not getting comments.

    Basically, Big Sister's right. You've outgrown a lot of the advice in this post. Once you've gotten a core following, you don't need to worry about it so much.

    As to Jody's point - when you write a great post, there's really nothing left to say, so nobody wants to follow your act. When you write crap, it's a VERY easy act to follow, and there's not much pressure to be deep or thoughtful.

    That's my theory :-)

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  14. So, Harvey advises to ignore a lot of Harvey's advice.

    My head hurts!

    I think I'll go take over somebody else's blog and take my frustrations out there.

    Blogosphere, beware. basil is on the prowl.

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  15. The Mean Sister (who is 5'6")March 10, 2005 at 12:45 PM

    So...what are you saying?

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  16. Me? I didn't say anything. I was wondering why you haven't posted anything, but that's all.

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  17. Thanks for the link. I know Harvey wanted me to post a "how I did it" directions to integrate Haloscan and Blogger comments. I am trying to remember how I did it, but I might have to retrace my steps in order to post it. I was just tinkering and presto it worked - I didn't take any notes! :(

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  18. All the great inventions came that way. 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration .

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  19. The Mean Sister (who is 5'6")March 13, 2005 at 1:32 PM

    Sorry about the non-post. This is crunch time at school and boss has been out for two of the past three weeks. Professor wants more papers, more posts, more articles, and more work. Life is getting in the way of the blog!! :(

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  20. We're just happy when you post.

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